20.21.17  * The_Tick prepares history lesson
20.21.20 <@The_Tick> so back in the day
20.21.20 <+GeoffE> Ah, ok.
20.21.21 <@Catfish_Man> heh
20.21.22 <+GeoffE> Hehe
20.21.24 <@The_Tick> Iser made 1.0
20.21.29 <@The_Tick> it was single window mode
20.21.32  * patr1ck prepares to record it for the Adium wiki
20.21.33 <@The_Tick> he released a new version the next day
20.21.36 <@The_Tick> because people bitched
20.21.41 <@The_Tick> "OMG SINGLE WINDOW MODE SUX"
20.21.57 <@The_Tick> Adium 1.0 lasted until 1.6somerandomstring
20.22.02 <@The_Tick> then he stopped working on that
20.22.06 <@The_Tick> it was aim only
20.22.07 <@The_Tick> using toc2
20.22.13 <@The_Tick> etc
20.22.19 <@The_Tick> the community at large kept maintaining it
20.22.37 <@The_Tick> this is where dchoby and Evan come from, for those new to this lesson
20.22.45 <@The_Tick> so Adam makes the starts of Adium 2
20.22.48 <@The_Tick> it's a rewrite
20.22.55 <+GeoffE> The dreaded rewrite
20.23.04 <+GeoffE> Always sounds like a good idea.  Never is... ;)
20.23.05 <@The_Tick> he asks Evan if he'd like to be the other lead
20.23.17 <@The_Tick> evan doesn't touch the code for 2 months after that :P
20.23.40 <+GeoffE> haha
20.23.42 <@The_Tick> GeoffE: except this was because adam wanted to move away from Adium 1.0
20.23.50 <@The_Tick> ok, fast forward about 4 months
20.23.54 <@The_Tick> maybe six
20.24.08 <@The_Tick> Colin (cbarrett) has a msn plugin going
20.24.20 <@The_Tick> then someone (I forget who) has the idea of breaking off gaim
20.24.25 <@The_Tick> into a backend and frontend
20.24.35 <@The_Tick> oh ya, Christian Hammond (chipx86)
20.24.41 <@The_Tick> he needed it for his pda gaim
20.24.43 <@The_Tick> which died
20.24.52 <@The_Tick> but he was friends with cbarrett
20.25.04 <@The_Tick> so libgaim was born
20.25.12 <@The_Tick> it's not something that the gaim project officially supports
20.25.15 <@The_Tick> it's just something we do
20.25.26 < proton> although they keep pretending that they will support it one day
20.25.28 < proton> *snicker*
20.25.35 <@The_Tick> somewhere in there it became a separate repo that Iser and I figured out how to compile statically with Xcode
20.25.47 <@The_Tick> we dropped the msn plugin Colin had made
20.25.54 < proton> uhm, you figured out how to do it? cute...
20.25.58 < proton> that was nicked from Proteus :)
20.26.03 <@The_Tick> proton: I helped ;)
20.26.23 <@The_Tick> proton: we didn't look at imservices in what I'm referring to
20.26.49 <@The_Tick> we stopped shipping nightlies
20.26.54 <@The_Tick> and moved to biweekly releases
20.26.59 <@The_Tick> for a time
20.27.08 <@The_Tick> then we stopped that and made feature based releases
20.27.16 <@The_Tick> which greatly enhanced things
20.27.25 < patr1ck> don't leave out the contact list re-write and mac-arena... that was huge.
20.27.37 <@The_Tick> ya, getting there
20.27.47 <@The_Tick> anyhow, before the switch to feature based releases
20.28.20 <@The_Tick> but after nightlies stopped
20.28.25 <@The_Tick> we released .50
20.28.32 <@The_Tick> renamed Adium 2 to Adium X
20.28.54 <@The_Tick> with the eventual intention of naming the 1.0 release Adium 2
20.29.14 < patr1ck> (because "someString X" app names were all the rage back then. *sigh*)
20.29.18 <@The_Tick> around .60/.70 (?) the contact list was rewritten
20.29.26 <@The_Tick> I think
20.29.36 <@The_Tick> mac-arena latched on a little earlier than that
20.29.44 <@The_Tick> I forget when Catfish_Man and durin42 came into play
20.29.47 < dbomb> The_Tick: .7
20.29.50  * dbomb remembers
20.29.54 <@The_Tick> but both have been huge players in the project
20.29.55 < patr1ck> i concur
20.30.04 <@The_Tick> we converted proton to an adium user
20.30.13 <@The_Tick> I also converted a fire dev to become an adium user
20.30.15  * proton slaps The_Tick 
20.30.15 <@The_Tick> one of those is a lie
20.30.29 <@The_Tick> so current history
20.30.34 < proton> like i said, as long as that duck is there it's not likely to happen :)
20.30.42 < dbomb> proton: then change it?
20.30.48 <@The_Tick> the chatkit project started
20.30.54 <@The_Tick> it's our attempt and becoming somewhat more sane
20.31.01 <@The_Tick> libgaim is our gift and our curse, yada yada
20.31.02 < dbomb> The_Tick: did you mention myko?
20.31.07 <@The_Tick> dbomb: no
20.31.09 < dbomb> heh
20.31.16 <@Catfish_Man> it's not really relevant
20.31.18 <@The_Tick> Growl sorta got born out of Adium
20.31.26 <@The_Tick> along with a few other things
20.31.28 < proton> dbomb: like i'm going to go to the effort of constantly maintaining a source tree to keep it off my system
20.31.43 <@The_Tick> along with some other side projects
20.31.28 < proton> dbomb: like i'm going to go to the effort of constantly maintaining a source tree to keep it off my system
20.31.43 <@The_Tick> along with some other side projects
20.31.50 <+GeoffE> Ok, so if I understand things...
20.31.58 <+GeoffE> Currently adiumx is built on libgaim
20.32.12 <+GeoffE> But there is plan to transition to something else (tm) likely chatkit
20.32.18 <+GeoffE> and chatkit is something you are building?
20.32.21 <@The_Tick> yes
20.32.40 <@Catfish_Man> it's basically a BSD licensed Cocoa wrapper around whatever libraries we can find/make
20.32.44 <+GeoffE> Ok, and why the move from libgaim?
20.32.52 <@The_Tick> because some things are better
20.33.03 <@Catfish_Man> well, switching AIM off libgaim made it go faster and have working file transfer and direct connect
20.33.17 <@Catfish_Man> switching jabber off can get us google talk voice, file transfer, better group chat, etc...
20.33.40 <+GeoffE> Google has released their Jabber lib, right?
20.33.45 <@Catfish_Man> yes
20.33.49 <@Catfish_Man> that's libjingle
20.33.54 <+GeoffE> Ah, right.